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Another pick for IU. 100% on his picks with 90+ day average.

"As good?" Yeah. He was. He was a far better defender as a sophomore. Also a lot bigger. He averaged more points, more rebounds, more FT attempts - and led the Big Ten in attempts and makes; had more assists, and more blocks. (granted the last two were marginal, but so were the numbers on which he declined a bit) His team improved by 2 games, his "plus/minus" was identical, and he was asked to play more minutes. He never was asked to develop a jump shot; and he drew a hell of a lot more double teams than he did his freshman year. He was never truly allowed to play out on the floor facing the basket; and he was the best mobile big man in the country. Was he as efficient as he was his freshman season? Was he utilized properly? I can make that argument. But a regression? I don't see that.

How perfect would it be if Garland committed at HH and then convinced Langford to do the same?

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I really don't agree with this at all. Both are great players. Wanting one of them for two years instead of having the other for one is definitely a legit position to take, especially when PG is a bigger position of need. I get the whole "taking over the state" perspective. I do. But what 5 star is going to come to IU because Romeo did? Most of them are independent decision makers. Romeo will only be here one year, and they won't play with him. Is there anything you can point to about their play on the court that makes Romeo that much bigger of a get than Garland?

2 years instead of 1 is not that big of a difference? Huh? IU with Freshman Zeller was ranked 15-20 once they got ranked. Sophomore Zeller made it so IU started the year at 1. We got a 1 seed. Having a 5* more than one year is a huge deal. Not following the point you are making other than Romeo is good at basketball. Won't debate that, but so is DG. Both are very, very good at basketball and will make the team they choose a lot better. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Romeo is the #5 ranked recruit nationally. Darius is the #9 ranked recruit nationally. Both were born and largely raised in Indiana. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Well, not many would argue that Cody did not have the giant freshmen to sophomore leap that we all expected or hoped for but to say he was better as a freshman is silly. He was the best player on the #1 team in the country as a sophomore and went #4 in the draft. There is zero chance freshman Cody was better than sophomore Cody. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

The other thing Zeller did was show other top recruits Indiana was worth a look. Coach Miller would benefit as much from who might follow and continue building than he would Romeo himself. Only I think Miller could sustain it.

Very fair, but it is fandom. Good to have something to be excited about for the first time in a while. I would rather have the chance to be let down than not have anything to be excited about at all. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

What the hell is all this talk of who we would rather have? First off it is not OUR choice, it is their's. I want both! If we land both, then someone has to go. I don't have a problem with that. Nature of the game. How many timrs have we been in the position to pick up 2 top 10 players? Exactly! Sent from my SM-G930P using BtownBanners mobile app

Another big night in the works. @BDCoachCox: After 1 quarter, Reese Taylor is 6-6 for 190 yards and 3 TDs. Giants 20, LN 0. @KyleNeddenriep @peegs @indyhsscores

Hoosiers roll 5-nil! We host Notre Dame on Tuesday.

I mean, that doesn't really tell me anything about their games and why Romeo is so much better than Garland. And yes, having an elite point guard for multiple years on your team is a huge difference. Example: Yogi.

Well that is one of the more interesting takes that can't be backed up by factual data. But hyperbole has worked well for you so far in this convo. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

On Paper, and that's all we can really go on with respect to 2018, 2013 was pretty strong. Noah 5 Troy 4 Stan 4 Luke 4 Devin 3 Collin 3.

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Crean landed top 20 5* guys in Blackman and Yogi, top 15 guy with Cody and a top 10 guy with Noah (using rivals) and yet got fired because he could not win enough not consistently. We need the top kids but i am hoping we end up with a 5* top ten coach more than anything. Archie is off to a great start - can't wait to see how we play. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

4-nil! Thomas strikes again and Panchot with his first of the season.

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GOOOAAALLL! Thomas gets this started with his 2nd of the season. IU 1-nil, 32'

I agree that Romeo is a better player in a vacuum, but we will have several players that can eat minutes at the 2 while point guard is still a big question. His height makes it more likely that he's a multi-year player so if we land him then we could potentially pitch playing with an elite point guard to Brooks/Hurt/Watford/Jackson-Davis, etc.

I'll give my uneducated opinion: Anyone saying that Tre Jones's commitment to Duke was irrelevant or a Duke net-positive was either speaking in platitudes or flat-out lying. Both Darius and Tre want to be the guy with the ball in their hands; Tre claimed that spot for the Dukies. I like our odds given that I fully expect IU's Hoosier Hysteria weekend to be Darius Garland's final official visit. You think it's any coincidence that the Duke 247 predictor was the one who just flipped to IU? Darius will be in Bloomington the weekend of 10/21; he will not be Raleigh/Durham the following weekend. Vandy is a real option. But, of his final five, if he makes it onto Duke or UCLA's campus I will be more than a little surprised, and only then will I re-assess my optimism. It would also be mighty helpful if, as is widely expected, 5* pg Immanuel Quickley, who announcing tonight, pops for the dirty, stinkin' Kensucky Wildcats. If we don't sign either Darius or Romeo I'm better-than-okay and I get it, but things are already really good and could get a whole lot better.

Yes I am exactly saying that. Stats back that up too. I truly hope we have another 5* staying more than one year as our chances of competing for titles improve greatly when you have talent plus experience. Not many instances of Freshman 5* title winners. There are a few for sure, but would love the combo of one and done as well as high end talent that comes back. If I have a choice of one and only one I will always take a top ten player at a premium position that could stick around more than a year. Luckily we are in on both. Fun times ahead. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Wow! What a complete tire fire Rutgers is just like in every sport. Remind me why the Big Ten added them? They can't pass, they can't attack and they have absolutely no defense. It would of been 10-0 if not for the fact they have a decent goalie but the rest of their players are not good enough for this level of soccer. I see why they have the awful record they do. Probably the worst Big Ten team I have ever seen come into Armstrong Stadium and maybe worse than IUPUI, Evansville and some of the other bottom feeders that we play annually. Now with all that said we took care of business and put them to bed early like we should. Even against bad teams last year we had a hard time scoring so the fact we are putting up big numbers on anybody is a huge improvement. Certainly no complaints about this game and looking very much forward to seeing how we do against a great Notre Dame team and this to me still looks like the best IU team since at least 2012 when we won it all.