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Analysis: Who would be on your Indiana University basketball equivalent of Mount Rushmore?


IndyHutch
  • Indiana basketball fans are always looking for something to debate. And this is a topic that promises to evoke a wide range of opinion. If you could only pick four faces to put on the Indiana Basketball equivalent of Mount Rushmore, which four would make the cut? Here is my list. What have you got?

I love to have fun with summer blog topics. When they involve Indiana University basketball it just makes it that much better because you know that IU basketball fans are dying for something to talk about.

I used this one years ago while I was at the Indianapolis Star and I got a zillion responses. OK, maybe not a zillion but I think it was more than 100 replies which for me was well over the Mendoza Line.

The topic: If you were to build a Mount Rushmore for Indiana University basketball, what four faces would be on the side of that mountain?

I think the first thing you would have to decide is whether you were talking all of Indiana basketball or just the players? Because if coaches were a part of the equation there would clearly be one and possibly two IU basketball coaches on Mount Hoosier.

Because I think there are arguments on both sides of that debate, I’m going to cop out. Let’s come up with two lists. One will be without any qualifiers and the other will be a players only final four.

If you could select any four individuals to be on the Indiana basketball equivalent of Mount Rushmore, I would think the four would be Bob Knight, Branch McCracken, Calbert Cheaney and (drum roll please) … Don Schlundt.

I can already see some of you rolling your eyes. “Don Who?”. If you haven’t read my latest Indiana basketball book, Hoosiers Through and Through, I would suggest you do so and see why I ranked Schlundt as the greatest player in Indiana basketball history from the state of Indiana.

Schlundt was a three-time All-American who had a career average of 23.3 points per game and ranks as the third leading scorer in IU history. He played on the 1953 national championship team. He was an absolute stud. He may not have gotten all the notoriety he deserved later because he died at an early age but anyone who is an Indiana basketball historian would put Schlundt at the very least in the conversation for that mountain.

In my opinion, the first three are no-brainers. Bob Knight was 618-220 in 29 seasons at IU and won 11 Big Ten titles and three national championships. In those 29 years, Knight led IU to the NCAA Tournament 24 times. In 21 of those seasons, IU won at least 20 games in a year. You couldn’t have a legitimate Mount Rushmore of IU basketball and not have Knight’s face on the side of the mountain.

And the reality is Knight and McCracken are probably 1A and 1B. McCracken led IU to its first two national championships and earned national coach of the year in both of those seasons. His teams averaged 18.5 wins per year and he recorded the first four 20-win seasons in IU history. He was at IU 24 seasons and led the Hoosiers to a 364-174 record.

All Cheaney did was average 19.8 points per game in his four-year career and finish his career as the all-time leading scorer in both Indiana and Big Ten history. He scored 2,613 points, one of five IU players in history to eclipse the 2,000 point scoring mark. The only knock on Cheaney that could take him out of the argument for being on that mountain is the fact he never played on a national championship team. He was on two teams that many believed could have hung a banner but one lost to Duke in the Final Four and the other saw its chances of a title evaporate when Alan Henderson suffered a knee injury late in the Big Ten season.

So I would go with those three and Schlundt.

Now there are several other former IU players that could be considered for that fourth and final spot. I’ll take a look at a few of them when I make up my all-player Mount Rushmore equivalent for IU basketball.

If I were to take a stab at an all-player mountain my list would look like this: Cheaney, Schlundt, Scott May and either Isiah Thomas or Steve Alford. I’m sure you could make a case for players like George McGinnis, Kent Benson or even Damon Bailey just because of his legendary status in Indiana basketball lore.

The reason I think May would have to be on the list is that he was the college basketball player of the year on the last unbeaten national champion. And there are few IU basketball fans around who don’t think the Hoosiers would have won it in ’75, too, if May hadn’t gotten injured.

That final spot, though, is a tough one. Many people believe Thomas was the best player who ever played at IU. He’s got a national championship ring and is a big reason the Hoosiers were able to put up their fourth national championship banner in 1981.

And then there’s Alford. He is Indiana’s second all-time leading scorer and led the Hoosiers to the 1987 national championship. And the truth is if the 3-point line had been in play for all four of Alford’s seasons he would have likely ended up as IU’s all-time leading scorer. Instead, he only had it for one season, the 1986-87 year when it was used on an experimental basis. Alford was 107-for-202 that season from beyond the arc, 53 percent.

Still, if I had to choose I would probably go with Cheaney, Schlundt, May and Thomas on my all players equivalent of Mount Rushmore.

So those are my picks. I’m sure many of you will have a completely different list. And with something like this there are no wrong answers, just a lot of good water cooler talk as fans debate the best of the best in IU history.

So with that in mind, bring it on.

@IndySportsHutch

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Zeller is the only player from the Crean era that could really even be considered. And I would say no. If Christian hadn't fallen off a cliff his senior year maybe he could get some consideration too but even then I would say no.

Cheaney and Alford are 2 I'm certain of. I'll admit I don't the teams pre bob knight very well. But I would lean to May and Thomas

 

That would be a pretty solid four right there.

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For me it is simple. Knight, McCracken, Fischer, and Cheaney. Those 4 ARE Indiana basketball.

 

This comment would make Fischer blush. And it's tough to make Fish blush.

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Just think...if McCracken wasn't a racist (a reason he wouldn't be on my mountain...I know I know "it was the times"...statement stands), we would likely be putting Oscar Robertson on all of our mountains (even though he isn't and wasn't so much a peach himself).

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If Larry Bird hadn't gotten homesick I'm guessing he would on that mountain, too.

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If Larry Bird hadn't gotten homesick I'm guessing he would on that mountain, too.


True that. The prospect of Bird playing at IU fascinates me. I assume he would've been great still, but I wonder if ISU was the better launching pad for him?

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What about Guyton? Isn't he like one of the only players to be top 10 in assists and points in IU history? I realize this isn't based on stats alone, but being that high on the list has to get him some consideration for the Mount Rushmore of IU basketball, right?

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True that. The prospect of Bird playing at IU fascinates me. I assume he would've been great still, but I wonder if ISU was the better launching pad for him?

 

You could certainly make that argument. At ISU he was a big fish in a smaller pond. The body of water in Bloomington would have been quite a bit larger.

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What about Guyton? Isn't he like one of the only players to be top 10 in assists and points in IU history? I realize this isn't based on stats alone, but being that high on the list has to get him some consideration for the Mount Rushmore of IU basketball, right?

 

A.J. was a tremendous player and is in that club of five players who scored more than 2,000 points in their IU careers, too. I'm just not sure how you rank him ahead of other guys that had bigger impacts in IU history.

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I think visibility is a whole different animal though.

 

Again, it's a generational thing but who are the guys you think about and what are some of the images that come into your mind when you think IU basketball.....

 

1. Keith Smart's shot to win it in '87

2. The Wat shot against Kentucky

3. Tom Coverdale lifting Kirk Haston off the ground after he hits the buzzer beater to knock off No. 1 Michigan State.

4. A.J. Moye blocking Carlos Boozer in the 2002 Sweet Sixteen will always make my list.

 

I think all those guys helped advance the visibility of the program. 

 

But on my own Mount Rushmore, I want the best of the best.

 

Here's a quick sidebar on Don Schlundt though....

 

Don Schlundt holds the IU school record for free throw attempts with 1,076.

 

Alan Henderson is second with 692. That means that Schlundt took 384 more free throws than anyone in IU history.

 

Schlundt also holds the school record for made free throws with 826.

 

Alford is second at 535. So Schlundt made nearly 300 more free throws than anyone in IU history.

 

To me those are staggering statistics.

 

And here's one more, Schlundt is the fastest player in IU history to reach the 1,000 point barrier. He did it in 43 games. That's 10 games faster than Calbert Cheaney. It's four games faster than anyone else in IU history.

 

Those stats are mind-blowing. He sounds like he must've been quite the player. I can't discount those accomplishments just because they happened decades before they happened. A lot of people do that when talking about historical greats and I think its ignorant. 

 

I'm limited in what events I've personally witnessed I can associate with IU basketball. The Wat shot obviously was a huge moment for the program. But for most of my time following college basketball, IU has been plain average. 

 

I'm hoping this season gives me something to remember and associate as a great IUBB moment.

 

What about Guyton? Isn't he like one of the only players to be top 10 in assists and points in IU history? I realize this isn't based on stats alone, but being that high on the list has to get him some consideration for the Mount Rushmore of IU basketball, right?

 

 

A.J. was a tremendous player and is in that club of five players who scored more than 2,000 points in their IU careers, too. I'm just not sure how you rank him ahead of other guys that had bigger impacts in IU history.

 

I think this is kind of related to the first part of my post. How much weight do we give the era a player played in? Do players from championship teams that may have been a bit less talented get a better ranking? 

 

I also think when making lists like this, you have to put importance on the length of time they were there. I would find it hard putting Zeller on a list like this after only being here 2 years. Its easier to put Isaiah on since he brought a championship to Bloomington. 

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Zeller is the only player from the Crean era that could really even be considered. And I would say no. If Christian hadn't fallen off a cliff his senior year maybe he could get some consideration too but even then I would say no.

Cheaney and Alford are 2 I'm certain of. I'll admit I don't the teams pre bob knight very well. But I would lean to May and Thomas

Eh, really? VO>>>>>>Zeller. 

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Vic is one of my favorite all-time Indiana basketball players in terms of athleticism, on and off the court personality, work ethic, etc....

But my opinion is there's no way he could be in a Mount Rushmore conversation. How do you put him ahead of some of IU's all-time great players?

You do make a good point. I might also be biased because that team was so fun to watch. It was tough to put him ahead of Schlundt and Alford. He's just more fresh in my mind I guess. I can't believe that team didn't hang a banner. But if it's coaches and players, you have to have Knight and McCracken.

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Your do make a good point. I might also be biased because that team was so fun to watch. It was tough to put him ahead of Schlundt and Alford. He's just more fresh in my mind I guess. I can't believe that team didn't hang a banner. But if it's coaches and players, you have to have Knight and McCracken.

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You do make a good point. I might also be biased because that team was so fun to watch. It was tough to put him ahead of Schlundt and Alford. He's just more fresh in my mind I guess. I can't believe that team didn't hang a banner. But if it's coaches and players, you have to have Knight and McCracken.

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Eh, really? VO>>>>>>Zeller.


Cody was our best player 2 years in a row. A title VO never claimed.

On the topic of coaches My high school gym was named after McCracken so from a young age his personal belief issues were downplayed. Yet as an adult taking them into account is the responsible thing to do

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Players only . I would only ask Victor Oladipo in replacement on Mr Schlundt. Vic is a huge ambassador for Hoosier basketball..

Knight, McCracken, I. Thomas, Alford, Oladipo

Schlundt - THREE TIME ALL AMERICAN, 23 PPG.  No, Victor was a fine player but not in same class as Schlundt.  

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Very tough to choose from, esp since I'm limited because of my age lol.

 

- Bob Knight

- Branch McCracken

- Calbert Cheaney

- Isaiah Thomas

 

If it was players and coaches that I watched:

 

- Bob Knight

- Cody Zeller

- Victor Oladipo

- Tom Coverdale

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A.J. was a tremendous player and is in that club of five players who scored more than 2,000 points in their IU careers, too. I'm just not sure how you rank him ahead of other guys that had bigger impacts in IU history.

I agree completely. Just throwing him into the conversation because I think his stats alone give him consideration.

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